Leopards Don’t Change Their Spots – Nor Does Solitaire
Occasionally we highlight specific problems / cases that people have with Solitaire / Peverel to try and provoke them into acting on the complaint – sometimes, those that Solitaire / Peverel cannot answer, remain unanswered (I refer ‘Andy’ to A N Onymous’ follow up to his ‘One Year of Peverhell‘ titled ‘Wheelie Bad Property Management)
We have been contacted by ‘Berni’, who has been a frequent contributor to TheTruthAboutSolitaire, who has asked us to document her plight with Solitaire / Peverel.
Hopefully, ‘Berni’ will get the response that she has requested, following TheTruthAboutSolitaire publishing the e-mail that she sent:-
Admin,
I wondered if you could bring to the publics attention the failure of Solitaire to acknowledge me and hope that this might make Andy’s actually reply to me, even though I’ve e-mailed him twice directly I’ve yet to have a response!
Well I’ve tried to be patient and given Solitaire the benefit of the doubt that yes they are improving and yes things will take time however I have now lost all patience and have reached the conclusion that no things are not improving and no they never will.
I have had several account queries outstanding for 2 years now! After a meeting with our new Property Manager earlier this year, she agreed that our account would be put on hold until these queries, and several others, are resolved. This has gone someway to pacify me and even though things are still dragging along I have been content in the thought that at least they aren’t getting any more hard earned money from me whilst they muddle along in their incompetency. However today I receive a delightful letter stating it is a Notice Before Legal Proceedings, threatening me that if I don’t pay the outstanding amount in full within 7 days then legal proceedings will be started and numerous charges plus 4% interest will be accrued on the outstanding amount.
To say I was furious would be an understatement and I immediately phoned the Accounts Department. The chap who answered confirmed that no my account wasn’t on hold, despite being assured by my Property Manager that it was. When I queried how to put my account on hold he said I had to get my Property Manager to do this – I had, 6 months previously!! To give him his due, he did then speak with the PM concerned who confirmed the account should be on hold and apologised that it wasn’t. I have since e-mailed asking for written confirmation of this but am still awaiting a response – I won’t hold my breath!
Andy – I have twice e-mailed you directly now with issues and I have not received an acknowledgement, let alone any progression to resolving the problem. Please please tell me what else I’m supposed to do? It’s all very well monitoring this website and coming out with the same old platitudes and asking people to e-mail you directly but what happens when they do this and don’t receive anything back? I suppose the next step is to contact ARMA but I have serious doubts about the effectiveness of this association as they do seem a bit of a toothless lion.
I wanted this posting to be published so people could see that even though some residents are toeing the party line and contacting their property manager and Andy, the same situation exists – total lack of communication and threatening letters from a company who have previously agreed to put an account on hold pending the outcome of account queries whereby it would appear we have been overcharged.
On a final note, please keep up the good work on this website, you’re doing an amazing job and it’s heartening to know that we’re not alone in our plight.
What’s obvious, is that everyone see’s through the posts that ’Andy’ makes and his assurances that he’ll get things sorted for you (protecting the company image/identity/brand), despite the fact that even he fails to respond to e-mails. (I can backup the claims that Berni raises, because I’ve never received a response from him despite numerous e-mails)
‘Andy’ can continue to ‘preach’ the gospel, according to Solitaire / Peverel – but despite the assurances he keeps telling us, that things are changing, but take time – he’s simply appeasing us.
As the old saying goes ‘Leopards Don’t Change Their Spots’ – so why do we think that Solitaire / Peverel will change?
The reason things are taking time to get sorted is simple – they now realise that they cannot get away with the practices that they have been getting away with anymore.
All of the recent publicity in the press, the websites such as TheTruthAboutSolitaire that say the same things, the forums of people asking questions about why they charge so much – is damaging their reputation and demonstrates that we, the residents – are fighting back and Peverel / Solitaire don’t like it!
I spoke with an employee of a local Property Management Company and they told me that since Peverel has been being mentioned in the press, they have seen a dramatic increase in enquiries from residents whom have Solitaire / Peverel as their Property Management Company and have produced a standard information pack they provide customers with, explaining how they can go about removing them! (similar to our Essential Guide)
If this local PMC is getting an increase in enquiries, from local Solitaire / Peverel residents (and they’re a relatively small company), what must all the other PMC’s around the country be getting – afterall Solitaire / Peverel claim to have over 100,000 dwellings. It certainly demonstrates that the ‘Peverel’ brand is damaged and that residents are fighting back.
An example of how hot a topic “Peverel” / “Solitaire” is on the Internet was proved by yesterday (5th Nov 09) website statistics, when TheTruthAboutSolitaire website received over 1100 unique hits! (our usual number of visitors per month is 2500 – 3500)




November 7th, 2009 at 10:31 am
Well I’m pleased to say that yesterday I received 3 e-mails, 1 from Andy and 2 from my property manager. Whether these were as a result of my posting I don’t know but any communication is gratefully received. I was a bit puzzled that Andy stated he hadn’t received my previous e-mail when I am in possession of a read receipt from his e-mail address confirming that the e-mail had been received and read.
My property manager has stated that she is keen to meet with myself, along with the Regional Property Manager, in an attempt to get these issues resolved. Whilst I am pleased at this apparent enthusiasm from Solitaire to answer queries, I remain sceptical as I have had previous meetings and communications with both the PM and Regional PM where promises are made and then not carried through. I intend to spend the weekend getting all my paperwork in order and one of the questions I will be raising is why we have been charged for court costs and interest incurred through Solitaire not paying invoices on time. I only became aware of this when a Solitaire employee sent me a breakdown of expenditure for the financial year which shows in detail exactly what has been charged to your account. It makes very interesting reading and I believe should be sent out as standard practice to all customers – I shall also be asking why this isn’t done. I’ll let you know how I get on!
It would appear the only way to get any responses at the moment is to publish your woes through this website, which obviously is not satisfactory however it does show how powerful the website is proving to be!
November 7th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
So the question over Solitaire’s issues with dealing with communications remains. “Andy” has advised Berni that he hadn’t received previous emails, yet Berni advises that Read Receipts have been received from “Andy” in relation to the “missing” emails.
In which case, somebody with access to “Andy’s” email account has seen Berni’s emails, and has sent the Read Receipt back – this needs human input to do. So if “Andy” hasn’t seen the email, then who has…??? “Andy” – who else has access to your personal email account…???
I aways attach Read Receipt requests to emails sent to anybody at Solitaire. To his credit, “Andy” at least (or somebody with access to his email account) does send the receipts back, although you can of course just cancel the Receipt request when you receive an email, which then means the sender has no idea if the email has been received and read. This seems to be the case with everybody else at Solitaire….. It’s like sending an item through the post by Recorded Delivery, but the postman then just puts it through the letterbox without getting the signature (this does happen, and I have complained to Royal Mail about it…). At least there is no cost involved with attaching a Read Receipt to an email…..
So, “Andy”, what is going on with your own email account? You are receiving emails & sending the Read Receipts back, yet you then claim to have not received the emails…??? You can’t send a receipt back on an email you haven’t received….. Read Receipt equals receipt of email…!!!
November 10th, 2009 at 11:44 am
I have been in communication with Solitaire for the last year asking them to explain why i have charges against my account for services they do not provide. This has been going on since we moved in 10 years ago !
I have been ringing, emailing etc etc but they never reply – customer services are next to useless !
I, this week, got a letter stating legal action would be taken unless I paid, my wife panic’d and paid it. I am now trying to get them removed from our account on the basis that they provide no services, just charge us for doing so.
November 11th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
Hi Paul
Thanks for your posting, I’m sorry to hear of your frustrations over the past 10 years. Please feel free to email me directly regarding the charges on your account. I will then pass your query on directly to the Senior Solitaire Property Management Team who will investigate the matter further and come back to you with a detailed response.
My direct email address is andy.solitairepm@peverel.co.uk
Thanks
Andy
Solitaire Online Feedback Manager
November 12th, 2009 at 9:56 am
Hi Berni and Matt,
Berni – thanks for posting and I am pleased that your issues will be raised at a meeting with your Regional Property Manager.
As you know, I replied to your email of Saturday 7th November when I returned to the office on Monday 9th but, having looked at all my Outlook inbox, folders, deletes etc, I simply couldn’t locate your original September email. It is possible that I deleted it in error, and for this I apologise.
I thought I would also try to help answer your last point. If anyone feels that they are not getting a response to resolving an urgent problem, I would recommend sending your email to customerservices@solitairepm.co.uk and put: “For the Attention of Head of Customer Services“ in the subject field.
As I posted last month, the old Solitaire Head Office at Barnet closed on the 30th October, and the Customer Service team has now moved to Luton. There we have a much more suitable office space to host this department.
The new Customer Service team are now busy catching up on the backlog of tasks that are inevitable when you make such a major change in business location. I can say, however, that the Head of Customer Services has been able to introduce the improvements in customer email logging that simply weren’t possible whilst the Customer Services team were based in the old Barnet offices.
This means that all emails received by Solitaire Customer Services are now added to a central property management system, allowing any member of the team to obtain a full history of any email contact from a customer.
In what are only 8 days since the Solitaire Customer Services team have been based in Luton, we feel that we are making progress. It will, however, take a few months for the new team and system to bed down as part of our plan to make a real difference for everyone. It continues to be a top priority for us.
Matt – I am the only one who has access to my email account, the only exception being when I am on holiday, and a colleague needs to check the inbox in order to forward any relevant emails to the Solitaire property management team. She did this for me when I was off for a week in August, but I have only myself to blame for the problems with Berni’s original email in September.
If anyone has any further questions relating to any of the changes that have been made, then please feel free to email me directly at andy.solitairepm@peverel.co.uk. You will get a reply!
Thanks
Andy
Solitaire Online Feedback Manager
November 12th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
I am trying to use my thinking cap and would like to see the positive outcome for all concern and here are my thoughts:
It is true Leopards do not change their spot and snakes shed their skins every year, however I can deduct 2 categories of human beings.
1. Most of the human beings when they are at fault they feel remorse, accept their weaknesses and change for better.
2.A very small percentage has no faculty to acknowledge they are at fault. They can not feel the suffering of others instead they draw pleasure in hurting others to feel as superior beings. They are often smooth talkers, well liked and accepted in the society who under the cover inflicts pain on others. They often pick people like me who they try to isolate and discredit.
Only time will tell if Solitiare/Peverel really mend their ways to convert to become a honorable pillar of the society.
I say charity begins at home so come on Slitaire/ Peverel your first port of call has to be the leaseholder’s welfare and no more funding anyone else.
Nicky Vogg
November 13th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
Nikki it seems you have to go through a lot to get heard without the answers you have a right to. Would it be possible to contact a newspaper that could be willing to help with your cause. Newspapers expose irresponsible companies and as a result could help you to get justice.
November 14th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Hi Jeannette write-Bailey
Thank you for the suggestion and hope it comes true and someone does take up the story.
It will bring into focus how the game is played by the ruthless Management Companies where the lease gives them the automatic right to carry on causing havoc for the leaseholders, who are getting blame for the Management Companies’ shortfall.
The joke is the big boys of the cooperate world and society suppose to be carers support the Management Companies against the helpless and venerable leaseholder.
Some justice …..!!!!!
Nicky Vogg
November 18th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
Paul,
Have Solitaire’s amazing “Senior Solitaire Property Management Team” actually contacted you yet?
It is 7 days later, plenty of time.
If they have, are they offering to refund, say, 50% of all the money you have paid out over the last 10 years? That would seem reasonable, especially in the light of the threats they are now making. Or, since words are much cheaper, have they merely promised to “improve in future” etc. (i.e. promised to do what they are legally obliged to do in the first place).
I would suggest that if they do not offer to refund a significant proportion of the money you have paid out over the last 10 years, you should look to hire a solicitor.
November 19th, 2009 at 9:54 am
It would appear that despite a brief improvement – the old leopard is back – allow me to explain
When we first bought our property at Riverside Plaza in Maidstone, the development was being (mis) managed by Solitaire by Bethan W, she did a truly appalling job, making claims that work was being done when it blatantly was not, charging us for the work when we were able to prove that it was impossible for the work to be completed (notably charging us for water supply to the bin-stores when the taps had not been installed – but claiming that the taps were there, until I provided photos) – needless to say, the service she and Solitaire offered was appalling – fast forward to 2009 and we have a new property manager …
This new chap seemed to want to make a difference – could the leopard change it’s spots, it did appear so – however now 9 months on, Riverside Plaza under the management of Jonathan M of Solitaire is actually in a worse state than previous. Solitaire are refusing to meet with residents, despite their own customer charter of a reply within 10 days are not responding to enquiries from residents, have stated again that they will not work with the residents or acknowledge the formation of a residents organisation and that “we do not have to provide audited accounts to you the residents” – we have had calls in with Solitaire about various issues and questions since 9th September, they initially stalled us, but are now flattly refusing to talk to us … the residents are now going to be canvassing all the properties and going down the route of RTM and removing Solitaire from the equation as they have demonstrated, even when given a second chance, that they are incapable of managing the development to the standard expected in a ghetto let alone that expected by paying residents
November 19th, 2009 at 11:18 am
David
Half way through your post I could not help but smile. I live in Maidstone as well but on another development to yours. And we have the same two clowns looking after our development. Bethan W is in fact the area manager and Jonathan is our man on the ground. (Lucky us!). Our development has complained to them both on so many things it is embarrassing. We have been told that Jonathan lives locally to Maidstone and in fact does more site visits than the normal property managers do. Despite this we have blocked guttering, broken door locks and the rest that everyone seems to complain about. We have tried Andy but he simply passed our complaints back to Bethan. ARMA got involved and they have decided to ignore ARMA. So David please don’t feel like you are alone, Bethan and Jonathan are totally incapable of doing anything and seem to ignore everyone
November 19th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
Hi Paul,
In reference to your 10Nov. entry, I hope you got your refund and they must pay interest back to you too. I wonder if a leaseholder has the right to charge admin cost for their time.
Nicky Vogg
November 19th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
Nicky,
You are not the first to suggest that residents should charge Solitaire / Peverel etc. admin charges of our own. After all, they are quick enough to apply admin charges onto our accounts for doing very little, so it does seem only fair that we should counter-charge them for our time in compiling complaints…!!!
Alternatively – on the cast-iron certainty that they wouldn’t pay our charges, if applied – then perhaps we should all agree on a set fee scale, and deduct this amount off our service charge bills each time we have to lodge a complaint, or chase up an unanswered query…..
Obviously we couldn’t apply VAT to our charges as individuals (unless you are already VAT-registered….), but how about £25 a time (only half what Solitaire / Peverel charge us)…???
November 24th, 2009 at 7:17 pm
Mat,
I cannot find a way out of this one. It is like catching a “slippery eel” which keep flowing back to Peverel Compound.
Only way I see is to change the lease clause which can be passed by majority vote. It is a simple exercise to ask the accountant hired by Peverel on our behalf to accept the changes as addtional amendment to the lease.
How do we go about it?
Do you think “Our Wonder Boy, Andy can help?
November 25th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
Hi,
I cant believe the ill feeling that there is towards solitaire and there associated companies. So its not just me then!!!!
Solitaire are nothing but a bunch of lying profiteering extortion racketeering cowboys, who do nothing for there money, and then want paying for the crap service or they threaten you with court. you leave messages and they dont return your calls or write letters and then dont reply. Thses companies need to be SHUT DOWN at once. If any one wants to contact me then my email is newtonpaul3@aol.com