Yet Another CBG Company
By admin | March 16th, 2010 | Category: Past Articles | 24 commentsThe ever growing list of Consensus Business Group of Property Management Companies never seems to surprise, by the sheer number of Freehold companies / PMC’s – that are associated with CBG.
This time, it’s a new name that has been brought to our attention – namely Roselab Ltd – who are the freeholder of a development, that is managed by a company called ‘Pennycuick Collins’.
The contributor who brough this to our attention sent the following message and would welcome any advice that other TTAS contributors could give them:-
I was reading with interest your webpage – it seems you’re having the same problem me and others on my estate are having in regards to ludicrous service charges and poor levels of service. I found your site after lots of Googling, basically our freeholder of the communal areas is “Roseleb Ltd” which is part of the Consensus Group (having seen some LTV paperwork on the net?) In our case the managing agent is a company called Pennycuick Collins.
I’d be curious to know what success you have had as I am a freeholder of my house, but for some reason contribute towards a service charge that has tripled in 3 years, and what can be done to tackle it, i.e. can you get out of it? Do you have to have a management company in place or can residents run themselves? My understanding is as a freehold owner rather than a leaseholder of a house you can’t even appeal to the LTV?
Its been a nightmare 3 years for ourselves and the other residents and a huge bugbear, but I’m glad to have seen some of the material on your site, as I am tempted to persue through the courts due to the escalating cost and incorrect budget provided to us and on the basis which the house was sold to us on (£125pa, its now £300+pa) , but its seems such a specialist area with lots of parties involved?Any tips from your experience would be greatly appreciated.
This is an all to familiar story, but does go to show the sheer size of the ‘web’ that CBG has spun, amongst is various portfolio of companies to benefit from almost all new build developments.
Time for change!!
Complain to your local MP and let him or her share your nightmare.
But you must get a set of annual accounts to show how the service charge money is spent ???
Who owns the communal areas ( download a copy of the title from Land Registry ? and ask for a copy of the managing agents service contract to see which company is authorising the demand ?
I should add that “Roseleb” is not listed at Companies House and “Pennycuick Collins Insurance Agents ltd” of Birmingham ,
B15 1AS is shown as a dormant company . ????
I am sorry you are also a part of CBG.
I own a freehold house which Andy from Solitaire has taken over as a leasehold apartment which is a lie. He has not shown any courtesy to apologise so far. That makes me feel that the Company does not operate within the Law as THEY ARE THE LAW.
I do not know how far you have researched. As Bruce said check the land registry to see how the communal parts are supposed to be managed. I know some land registry have not named a company to use for a manger and some pay rent in the form of service charge.
My pointers are:
1.To have a legal insurance ( if one does not have one) included with ones own building insurance ( for leasehold properties try to link with content or individual insurance) and hope any new policy legal battle with PMC will be accepted.
2.Just a thought, I am not a solicitor and wondering what will happen if each freeholder in the country takes the Management Company to Small Claim Court with back up of other residents. Each case of each development is registered in a date order. The freeholder cost to file a court case will be negligible while the Management Company will have to attend each case all over the country with their solicitors!!!!!!!
3.I would check if the land registry shows the Manager as a ltd Company. If so then they are in breech of the agreement and would be in serious trouble.
Currently we have Peverel LTD and Peverel OM LTD which have different trading names but collecting money on both ends. CBG seems to create so many companies which is becoming like a maze for us to drop in. Then they have companies off shore registered.
One should always keep the reference of the registered Company as I have attempted to do so, so it can be used in Court, In your case limited Company is dormant.
We all need legal advice on that as things do not look good. I feel there is going to be devastation to come which must be minimised.
I hope that helps you.
Correction
Small Claim Court is now named as the County Court.
It is just not CBG keep changing name but also Govt offices.
Before the water leak saga I was known to be the girl who did not read newspaper or watch news to avoid negative influences but now ……!!!!!!!
I having a difficulty to forgive as others may not have survived the ordeal ……!!!!!!!!
Has TTAS checked the status of Roseleb Ltd and Pennycuick Collins at Companies House Records ?
One doesn’t exist and other is dormant ??? and they are collecting service charge funds ?.
Admin – can you confirm whether the offensive comment above from “Colin Popshed” has originated from a known email address / server…???
Perhaps we should invite “Mr. Popshed” to a mass gathering of Solitaire / Peverel sufferers (I have to assume “he” isn’t one of us), and he can then express his somewhat distasteful thoughts to us in person…..
Mr (and i use the term loosely) Popshed is a joke. he is in his nown time on this website to tell the posters they are boring. Now the posters have a reason to be on the site and an end game in mind Mr Popshed on the other hand has nothing else to do with his sad sorry life than slag people off and tell them to get a hobby. really who is the sad one you sad little pathetic moron with nothing else to do on your laptop in between viewing the pron
Thanks Admin for putting the tag as it might happen to one of another CBG companies. It appears the stage is being set up to follow the suit.
Bruce, Pennycuick Collins will not be found in Companies House because only limited Companies are listed , who must submit their accounts.
There are too many companies have been created mixed with limited and non limited:
1 Peverel OM Limited , as far as we know, created 2 non Limited Companies
A). OM Property Management (no limited word follows)
B). Consort ……(no limited word follows)
2. Peverel Limited (which appears to be used for legal matters) created another non limited Company
Peverel Property Management (no limited word follows)
Do see if anyone wants proof under the “Peverel / Solitaire’s MD – Lee Middleburgh” , 2009 August Tag entry and my entry dated 14th March, 2009
I am replying to Peverel Limited’s Company Solicitor, who used non Limited Company letterhead, Peverel Property Management (no disclosure in the letter it was on behalf of OM Property Management). I have listed all the companies and their trading companies clarifying who is who to protect myself, otherwise my response to them it would not be worth the paper it is written on, if there is a court case to follow.
Neil you have also picked on paying service charge to both non limited and limited Company which does not seem to be good accountancy practice. What will happen to the service charge collected if Peverel OM Limited no longer operates or declared bankrupt? Would these non limited Companies will disassociate themselves from the Limited Companies and let us bear further loss?
I would like to know more about Pennycuick Collins that may help us to protect our funds. I do know our trust fund/sinking fund and operating account fund must be kept under each development name. If CBG are looking after 300,000 properties multiply by the trust fund…..money sitting in each development accounts doing nothing that makes me nervous. It must not be used for Company use, however, we need confirmation that it is so.
Guys
To clarify, the company name is Rosleb Limited (my typo) and Pennycuick Collins are the managing agent who collect the funds for our particular estate, (we’re based in the Midlands). The developer was Bellway. I found Rosleb were linked to CBG after reading an LTV judgement on the net from another Bellway development.
Cheers
In fact, could be Rosleb or Roseleb?! Here’s the LTV paperwork I found that cited the link between the Consensus and “Roseleb”.
http://www.rpts.gov.uk/Files/2009/January/700031D6.pdf
To Admin & others,
This is a very intersting LVT determination. I would advise a careful reading if it as it covers some highly significant facts and issues.
Firstly, the applicant had clearly done his homework proior to applying to the LVT.
Secondly, there is a reference to a Section 20C order where the applicant requests that the Respondents (ie landlord / managing agents) costs should not be recoverable from the service charges. (Many leases state that costs can be recovered from service chsrges, therefore it most important to consider thsi when going for LVT.
Thirdly, there is a reference in the determination to a precedent judgement of the Lands Tribubal ( Forcelux Ltd v Sweetman & another)- this is most intersting.
I have gone through this LVT record very quickly and have saved it so that I can go through it again more thoroughly.
Once again, I advise everyone to become very familiar with your LEASE!
Another gem TTAS site has produced.
Well done Archangel.
Millennium Drive lease does state, if any liable costs cannot be covered by the insurance policy then they will be paid out of service charge.
Another loss for CBG which they may have to be pay from the pocket.
Does LVT is still attractive option anymore as CBG are made to pay the price now.
Found “Rosleb Limited” on Companies House. Company No. 04533342. Registered address is at 302 Regents Park Road, which is a familiar address…..
Status shown as “Active”, although the accounts are overdue (as of end of October 2009).
As for “Pennycuick Collins”, the only possible match on Companies House is “Pennycuick Collins Insurance Agents Limited”, in Birmingham (Company No. 06376099). Status – “Active”. Their stated nature of business is “6603 – Non-life insurance”.
However, a Google search leads to http://www.pennycuick.co.uk/ which does seem to fit the bill – being a firm of Chartered Surveyors – and they have exactly the same contact details as “Pennycuick Collins Insurance Agents Limited”.
Although both companies are shown as “active” status at “Companies House” website, the last accounts returned are declared DORMANT.
Rosleb accounts to 31/7/07 ( DORMANT)
Pennycuick Collins Insur Agents Ltd accounts to 30/9/09 (DORMANT).
Can a freehold company receiving annual ground rent income be classed as DORMANT ?
Re my comment above:
Another interesting fact – this is an “Application determined on written representations without an oral hearing” . And the Tribunal consisted of just 2 members.
Admin – I see that the rather offensive comment from “Colin Popshed” from March 18th 11:39 pm is still online (above). Whilst I do use the very offensive (to some) word in a private situation, I would NEVER write it, un-censored, on a public website such as this. To be honest I’m surprised you haven’t removed the offensive word yourselves, or even the whole comment…..
Do you know who “Colin Popshed” is? I have to assume from “his” comment that “he” isn’t a Peverel resident. Perhaps he’s just an internet troll who likes to stir things up. Or perhaps he does have some sort of interest in the contents of this website…??? Do you know his email address – have previous comments been posted from the same location before…???
Matt
Apologises for not picking up on the comment from Colin Popshed.
We had deleted this message once and it appears that it has been recreated, possibly following the restore of the database during our recent problems.
Apologises for any offence caused by this and they will not be published again.
TTAS does not condone such comments and future comments will be blocked.
After the replies I received and being a resident who has properties in a Solitaire and County Estates Management, I am worried about buying any other properties in the Peverel / CBG family group.May I make a suggestion? Would it be possible to list all the link companies on 1 page? Then anyone can see who is in the ever increasing Peverel / CBG family? My County Estates Management charges are more expensive than Solitaire and the service varies but if a problem does arise I am always talking to Peverel who are based in Luton! Who is this Property Debt Collection, are there any family links to Peverel?
[ADMIN EDIT]
Hi ‘Worth’ – all of the companies you have mentioned are all linked to the Peverel Group, with Peverel then being part of Consensus Business Group.
On your suggestion, we’ve put together the companies link for you and others, to see the mass of companies that are associated to eachother within the property management industry.
Nicky,
I’ll have another go at posting this, as the last one disapeared, but site seems to back to normal now.
I’m not sure your interpretation is correct. I do not know abour Consort. But my letter said “Peverel OM will change its trading name to OM Property Management–a division of Peverel OM Limited”. Om PM therefore has no legal status but is purely an administrative convenience for CBG. With regard to Peverel OM Ltd it is very unlikely to be declared bankrupt without its parent going bankrupt first. Even then it probably will not be bankrupt. The Peverel Group has already gone [REST OF COMMENT REMOVED AT THE REQUEST OF PEVEREL DUE TO POSSIBLE DEFAMATORY COMMENT].
I do not know which bank my service goes into or the account number, although we are charged bank costs of £2 per month. Perhaps I should have asked before now. Of more importance to me is that our accounts are not audited, although they claim to be, and that they are drawn up for the benefit of Peverel rather than the service charge payers. This is certainly not in the spirit of the regulations and may not be legal at all.
Hi Neil,
Sorry, I was referring you picked it up that the payment can be made under both name Limited company and trading Company and nothing else, however it got linked to further. You are right about bankruptcy. Thank you for the info.
In my experience payment must be paid as per invoice instructions and must be one name and not to both trading and limited Company which one can choose. The payment is credited to the account initially it is sent to. As there is no transparency where it is being allocating after that, if one ceases to operate then it may become problematic to prove and time consuming exercise, when majority may not know what to do.
Do you know definitely that OM property Management will become ltd to replace Peverel OM LTD? There must be clear cut date when the switch over is taking place and hope PMC are reading that to do the right thing.
Finally, If someone is filed a legal case against Peverel OM Ltd ( one does not file a case against section) but the company ceases to operate then would you be in position to go after CBG by filing another court case to recover your losses or not? Our lease states the property Management Company can be held liable and there is no mention of the parent Company.
Admin, can we have another tag for filing legal case and the options available. What is best way to protect if Ltd Company ceases to trade and the section is taking over who may not become Limited Company.
Admin I have got 2 Companies to add your List
Peverel Limited
Peverel Property Management (a section of Peverel Ltd)
(Do see my letter to the solicitor, if anyone wants proof under the “Peverel / Solitaire’s MD – Lee Middleburgh” , 2009 August Tag entry and my entry dated 14th March, 2009
Hello,
I have been reading all the comments on Peveral OM, CEM, Solitare etc. Has anyone checked on Paul Rayden? He is our freeholder and used to be Director of CEM, then stepped down and became CEO of CBG who then purchased Peveral. You will find connections with this man and being a director of approximately 30 companies. I still believe that Freshwater have our freehold which is run by Treeview – Rayden and am desperate to find a link. So I can take him to court for mis-management, neglect, health & safety and very creative book-keeping. Can anyone help.
By law landlord name and address must be recorded in the registry
office. That would stop the victimization.
Just an idea apply for court order for Management Company
to disclose the landlord name and address which I am pretty sure
will be granted or try by asking as many as you could to stop
paying service charge. Do tell PMC of your intention what you are
going to do
Force PMC to print freeholder contact details on each reminder. I
hope you have read Jon on the subject.
Lauren
“Any service charge demand and reminder letter after 1st October 2007 (30th November 2007 in Wales) must be accompanied by a formal summary of rights and obligations whose content and form is prescribed by Parliament.”
All service charge requests must also contain the landlords address.
The Law regarding this can be found at http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2007/uksi_20071257_en_1
If your service charge does not conform to the above it is invalid.
Refuse to pay it until the landlords details are on it.
Thank you Jon.
Have not once seen landlord address yet on any reminders.
I think that will force PMC to disclose the name of the Landlord/freeholder. If they do not do so any payment can be stopp0ed and would be illegal threat which is labile.
It only takes one to test the law then other will follow.
Andy watch the space as when time is right I will be first one to go after CBG