Do You Think Referral Fee’s Are Involved?
By admin | September 8th, 2010 | Category: Past Articles | 6 commentsAn interesting point was recently raised in regards to whether Peverel Group / Consensus Business Group benefit from “kick backs” as it were, from suppliers / contractors that undertake work for them.
We’ve discovered that apparently, the debt collection company that Peverel use and have used for around the last 8 years (judging by the debt collection threats we’ve received) – “Property Debt Collection” (PDC) are also allegedly ran by a former Solitaire Property Management, Property Manager.
Surely, for PPMG to have used the same debt collection company for this duration, that they would have asked for it to have been made worth their while to use them.
Afterall, if PPMG have earned / are earning a commission from Zurich for their insurance premiums, it can’t be any different for other suppliers / contractors to offer an incentive.
Therefore, we’d love to ask ‘Andy & Lee’ (we thought we’d better address them both, if it is true that Lee provides Andy with all of his responses) as to whether ‘they’ could answer the following questions:-
Do Peverel / Associated Companies receive a referral fee from your chosen debt collector – PDC and do you also receive a referral fee from the accountants Websters (we believe) who are the independent accountants that you use to ‘audit’ all of your developments accounts?
Could you also confirm if you receive any other referral fee’s from other suppliers that “WE – THE LEASHOLDER” should be made aware of under the Landlord & Tenant Act 1985?
Lee & Andy – please do not think that we are making allegations – we’re not, we’d merely like you to clear up this matter for all to see and for us to know if that it is true?
However, some visitors may be wondering what made us consider asking these questions..
Well, as we are all aware – our accounts get audited and if a referral fee was being paid, then this in theory would have to be credited to our service charge accounts and therefore shown on our accounts. Correct?
We think so anyway, therefore, bearing this in mind, we believe that actually the reason why our service charges are extortionate, is actually because “WE” – yep us the leaseholders, are actually paying the referral fee as part of our charges.
Therefore, when a job is undertaken, is the supplier / contractor inflating the invoice to PPMG / SPM, which inturn is paid out of the service charge account and is seen as a debit against that invoice.
Once the invoice has then been paid, the supplier / contractor then pays a referral fee back to the management company?
Having gone through our developments account and seen copies of invoices, we believe that the above is plausible and could well be happening.
Especially, considering the fact that our accounts are supposedly ‘audited’ by Websters Accountants – yet all of us have found mistakes, therefore – how have these mistakes been able to get past “independent auditors” of whom have worked with / for PPMG for many years?
What is everyone elses thoughts on this? Are we looking into things too much or have we hit the nail on the head?





See my comments posted on the 22nd June 2010, RE: An Insight into How PMC’s Work. There are definitely such mechanisms in this industry and they go beyond those I have already identified! But don’t forget it’s not just about money, In hindsight I can safely say that in my early career I personally benefitted from away days, drinks, expensive dinners etc whilst representing the Freeholder. I did however stop short of accepting cash filled envelopes or the likes which were offered on several occasions. Such practices are seen as a harmless thank you but where do you think the contractors get their money back from?
I believe that this is about professional maturity. As our ethics matured in line with the expectations of this sector, so should all of the other practitioners. There is plenty of money to be made from managing property efficiently and fairly.
Kind regards,
James Butler Esq – Director
James,
Here here! Managing property efficiently and fairly is, I’m sure, all most people who are reading this site ever wanted!
Last year I obtained a stack of invoices from the Peverel owned PMC that ran the development where I lived. Included in this stack were lots of invoices from solicitors appointed chase service charge arrears. The name of this company was Altermans Solicitors. Their website states their address as:
Altermans Solicitors
233 Regents Park Road
London N3 3LF
Which isn’t too far from that common address we see from Peverel/E&M/The Residential Org etc…
Molteno House
302 Regents Park Road
London
N3 2JX
Smells dodgy…
On the subject of Audited Accounts. I understand these should be sent within 6 months of the year end. Does anyone get these within the timescale? Unspent money sits in the accounts for far too long when, of course, it should be paid back to us. What action can be taken to insist Accounts are prepared on time?
@Zocco,
Email the PM and MD and state to him the specific section from the Landlord and Tenant Act (Section 20?), detailing how long they have by law.
Also copy ARMA and your MP on the letter/email. This should get them moving. It does state that there is a fine payable if the law is broken, I have no idea how to enforce this … but it is likely that they will cover this via the management fees
Also, if anyone would like to speak with Mr. Middleburgh directly then I have his mobile number, he kindly adds it to his email replies, including out of office automated responses.
I guess I could pass this on with Admin’s help?